Our first impressions of games played/demoed at PAX Unplugged 2019

Alubari: A Nice Cup of Tea – If you’ve played Snowdonia, Alubari feels like the spiritual successor to that game. It takes the skeleton of its predecessor and adds some new configurations that makes the game slightly heavier but not enough to be off putting. This game was heavy on player interaction as you’re constantly trying to find ways to get in the way of your opponents. This is a game that definitely needs repeat plays as a player may have a very bad time if they’re locked out of certain actions due to their unfamiliarity with the game. I was intrigued by this game and was happy to play it, but it didn’t wow me.
Animal Kingdoms – The first of many light games that I was able to demo at PAX, Animal Kingdom is an area majority game that uses the cards in your hand to dictate those majorities. Each section has special rules about placement that adds a slight puzzle to each round but for the most part, players are adding an animal to each section with the hopes of controlling that section. I think this could be a nice game for seven year olds and kids of that age range.
Arraial – A light abstract strategy game, Arraial has players spending action points to take tetris-style pieces and put them on their player board. Orientation and color matter as players try to attract the most visitors to their board. This game was alright. I didn’t hate it nor did I love it. There just wasn’t enough going on each turn for me personally. I did like the rules about orientation and how the market could spin, which changed the orientation for you and other players.
Ausser Rand & Band – This game passed the first test as it had incredible table presence but I was letdown by the gameplay as far too much was taken out of the players hands and the decisions being made by players didn’t really matter. Players will roll two dice on their turn and place them on the areas of the conveyor belt that match the roll. Then they will place a third die on any open action spot that allows them to possibly perform a special action that can impact themselves or other players. After that, they’ll add a new tile to the conveyor belt that pushes the front most tile off the belt, which in turn rolls the dice that are on top of that robot tile. The highest number wins that tile and they can use it to construct their robots. While I’m critical of the game, I’m doing so from the lens of an experienced thirty year old gamer who likes heavier games. I do think this could be a lot of fun for younger players as the randomness creates a fun set of chaos and pushing the conveyor belt is incredibly satisfying.
Bus – This is a game that was a hot topic of discussion the entire weekend. It was the first game we were able to demo and was also on our list to check out. Bus is an incredibly simple and intuitive design that has players creating bus routes over a small city with the objective of getting passengers to their home, their work, or the pub. It uses an action selection system similar to Dominant Species, where all the available actions are available on the right-hand side of the board and once those actions are chosen, players will take those actions in order from top to bottom. Bus is not a simple route-building game though; the game has two catches. The first is that players only have 20 actions over the course of the game and it’s up to them to decide when and how to use them. This means that some players may be done the game before others. The second twist is that one of the actions is the ability to stop time. This is where Bus stands unique against its contemporaries. Each round, passengers will follow a clock that allows passengers to be delivered to one location, in order of home-work-pub, however, if you stop time then they’ll visit the same location again. Delivering passengers is the only way to score points
We played with a full table of 5 and while the game came in well under the suggested time (one hour compared to two hours), I don’t think this stood up well as a five player game. Going last, especially multiple times in a row could really hinder a player as the better action options are taken. We saw this happen in our game and it really soured the experience for that player.
Like other Splotter games, this can be a mean one as you could fully block another player from expanding their routes by getting their first. I had no issues here but it is worth noting. On a second playthrough, the game may also take additional time as players will be more prone to analyze and antagonize over their decisions. I would expect a safe bet of around 90 minutes at most. If you’ve played other Splotter games and enjoyed them, you’ll feel very familiar with the tactical choices offered by Bus.
The game was highly competitive and the ability to stop (or not stop) time hung over each player each round as it directly impacted their ability to score. The board was tight but not too tight that it made expanding difficult. The rules were easy and intuitive and all the difficulty came from the decisions players were making, not from having to interrupt the rules.
My biggest gripe however was the price point. I know Splotter’s operations are smaller and they put out quality products, but I have a hard time justifying a convention pricing of $70 for what was a minimalist game, components wise. I was not sold on the initial play but was intrigued enough about trying Bus at three players that if the price would have been lower, I would have likely purchased a copy to test that theory. This is a Catch-22 however as if you love Bus, you could easily get your worth out of it monetary wise as it offers such depth but that’s a huge pill to swallow if you’re on the fence. This is probably the one game I was able to demo where I stayed on the fence as being able to land on one side or the other.
Calico – Calico had a demo booth and I had the pleasure of playing a few rounds. First off, Calico is adorable. It has a calming theme as players create quilts, add buttons, and attract cats to them. The colors and design helps make the game pop and the designs on the quilt pieces help attract players who have difficulty distinguishing colors. While demoing, it felt like a combination of Patchwork and Azul, with a difficulty level probably closer to Patchwork. The game is probably rewarding enough for experienced abstract players as it offers the ability to really fine-tune optimal play but I think the theme could possibly make this a surprise sleeper hit for 2020 as it can easily draw in non-gamers.
Carrossel – Carrossel has a really unique theme as players are trying to build a carrossel cooperatively while also trying to sell the most tickets from their section. The game plays two- to four-players and I had the unique experience of having a two-player game to my left and a four-player to my right (while we played three-players). I was able to talk with both parties as our groups ran and did other activities (bathrooms breaks and Wild Bill soda, mostly) and my thoughts ran along with theirs. While Carrossel can be played at two- and three-, it may shine best and only at four. This is a family-friendly abstract that can really target optimal playing. Players will place tiles in their section, which is numbered one to twelve (I think). You can only place one carrossel on one tile so placement is paramount as players try to match their placements in front of them to the ride configuration they’re trying to score against. The twist is that like a real merry-go-round, the board rotates each turn so your section is constantly changing and someone may ruin your well laid plans with each action. Due to this, I feel the game is much more luck dependent than skill but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun. This could be a fun way to ease people into the abstract world as the theme really comes alive with the board and components and gameplay. In addition, when players do score, they receive tickets for the riders of those rides and those tickets can be used to achieve special abilities. All in all, a fun little game that I think would be fun for younger players or as a filler for more experienced ones.
Cascadia – Cascadia is a game that will pop up on Kickstarter next year that has players building their forestry to match like animals, which grants them bonuses. This is an abstract game that ties in the forest/animal theme by including different terrain types. We were able to demo this as a two-player game and we thought the decision making was interesting. I’m not entirely sold on it yet as it didn’t offer the depth I wanted but I’m also aware that it was a demo. I will be intrigued to see the full edition of the game when it’s available on Kickstarter and think this would be good for children who are ready to jump into something that has a little bit more meat on the bones than the Sorry!’s and Monopolies of the world.
Cheeky Butts – This is a matching game as players reveal a card and place it in the correct area that matches the animal. There isn’t much else to this game but it would definitely appeal to children and be a good break from other kid games.
Cobra Paw – Cobra Paw is a real-time dexterity game where two to six players will use their cat-like reflexes to try and snatch the tile that matches a dice roll each round. The first player to collect five tiles, wins. The catch is that once you grab a tile, you need to keep a finger on it because if you don’t, someone else may steal that tile from you when it’s rolled. The dice and tiles are incredibly high quality (think Mahjong tiles) and we purchased this for $10 bucks. My SO blindly offered $25 as she was so smitten. This is an incredibly cute, easy to introduce game that is perfect for filler scenarios or to warm-up/wind-down a night.
Crokinole – This is a game I’ve been eyeing for a long time and I was finally able to play it at PAX. As a huge shuffleboard fan but with the size limitations of a row home, Crokinole was calling my name and if not for space limitations due to travel, I may have purchased one of the two boards available at the convention. For those that don’t know, Crokinole involves players flicking disks across the board with the goal of scoring points by having the disks land in the central regions. The twist is that you must hit another players disk with your own in order for your disk to remain on the board. I could have played this for hours.
Don’t Get GotSU&SD had a fantastic video on this game and it is one that I had my eyes on for our group. The basis is that you are given six scenarios to accomplish involving the other players and this will happen in the background of other activities. Scenarios could be something like “convince another player to say ‘I love you’. If they do it, you mark that task complete. If they call you out on it, you mark it failed. We purchased a copy at the convention and played this in the background Friday night and Saturday. We did two separate rounds and while this game is incredibly group dependent, if you have a group that is into this type of game you will have a hit on your hands. Over the course of two days, we had members of our group get got in the hotel room, in line at the convention center, in a restaurant, as we walked the city, and more. We had one situation where three scenarios occurred in rapid fire as people let their guard down and laughter ensued.
One caveat with this game, besides being group dependent, is also that some of the options will appeal to some groups more than others. For example, one scenario would have had me placing a phone call to someone and saying something specific. For some, this would be easy. For me, not so much. I don’t call people and if I do, they think it’s because something went wrong. Besides that minor piece of the puzzle, we loved Don’t Get Got. This will be a staple of a lot of our activities.
El Dorado: The Golden Temple – I’m a big fan of The Quest for El Dorado and jumped at a chance to see The Golden Temple. The game introduces new cards and terrain types. There’s also a new starting deck that I thought was much more helpful than the base game offered. I did feel like the market cards were much more important in this expansion as if the right cards didn’t appear, it would be a really tough game to slug through. There are torch cards that the demo teacher said wouldn’t mix well with the base game but everything else is compatible. I liked this expansion but it didn’t have that home run hit that the first expansion had.
The Furglars – Another family game, this one involving dice rolling as players try to roll and collect Furglars, which are some kind of creature that can be traded in for bullion, which is the point system for the game. This is a light and quick game that definitely appeals to families and young children. It has a little bit of take-that as players can take Furglars from other players so it could be a nice way to introduce that mechanic as the theme is fun and there isn’t too much riding on the outcome, as opposed to other games where that mechanic is more vindictive. The Furglars themselves are fuzzy green creatures that are on one face of each die. This is cool but it does make me wonder if the weight distribution for rolls is altered in any meaningful way…
Gloom of Thrones – Gloom is a social game that has players building the saddest, most tragic narrative for the family they’re in charge of. This game is heavily dependent on the group playing it and Gloom of Thrones introduces a parody of Game of Thrones (which had its own sad, tragic life). Besides the storytelling aspect of the game, Gloom stands out for its use of transparent cards that let modifiers shine through one another to make easy to read scenarios. The deluxe version was gorgeous and came with card holders and some other amazing components. If you like socially driven games that create a narrative and enjoy the Game of Thrones world (and want to poke fun at it), I would steer people towards Gloom of Thrones. If that setting is not your style, Gloom offers many other options to get your sadness on.
Long Shot: The Dice Game – Long Shot has been on my want list for awhile as I’m a huge horse racing fan (in theory, the recent roided up horse deaths have caused my fandom to wane) and want a game set in that theme. The Dice Game, which is looking to launch on Kickstarter in 2020 will take the original version and make it into a faster roll and write (dry erase was shown at the convention). There were some variations and evolution’s to the betting and economy but it seemed like they were made to streamline the process. As I haven’t had a chance to get my hands on the original, I can’t compare and contrast them.
Mary Engelbreit LoonacyLoonacy is one of our favorite games and we’re a sucker any time a new edition comes out. This version is definitely the hardest that has been released. The game play doesn’t change (check the earlier link for a run through of that) but the artwork is so seamless and well done that it takes a lot of brain recognition to match the images. This is one that will be added to our collection sooner rather than later as it ups the difficulty tremendously of a simple to teach and play game. I had taken more photos but they came out blurry. Guess 2020 is the year I invest in a camera…
Meeple Party – Meeple Party presented an interesting take on the common cooperative game as players are working together to throw an epic party. The colors are loud and vibrant and like a real party, players need to entertain and interact with their guests to ensure that good times are had by all. This game lives and dies with its theme as the events and possible disasters really create the feel of a high school or college blow out. The first round or two took some getting used to with the phases but it was smooth sailing after that. The game offered little to no downtime once we had an idea of what we were trying to accomplish. The game is modular in house set-up and in difficulty so there is the opportunity to offer a lot of replayability. My only concerns about Meeple Party are that I thought it was a little easy and I’m not sure why you choose to be a certain meeple when you can activate any during a round. It felt like a weird design choice.
Pretending to Grownup – Cards have three sets of resources: time, energy, and money. Players will play a card stating they have the most money or time or energy and then the player to their right will either state that they’re the most “x” or they will stand down. Play will commence until someone stands down. Once that happens, all players that said they’re the most “x” will reveal their card and the highest number wins. First player to claim twelve cards wins the game. This is a cute filler game that offers little strategy or depth to its players. The subject matter is clearly geared to adults (not in a sexual nature but more of a tax one). The art was fun and endearing but not enough to keep this game as something I would want to play again as it fills the role of a filler and there are better fillers available.
Sagrada: The Great Facades – Passions – Passions introduces three new elements to the Sagrada world: Inspiration cards, Rare Glass Dice, and new public objectives. The Inspiration cards give players additional asymmetric powers, the Rare Glass Dice are basically wild dice that can take the place of any other color and it includes additional objectives to be fulfilled, and more public objectives to add to the base game. I’m on the fence about the expansion. I liked the additional objectives but felt like the Inspiration and Rare Glass Dice gave players outs for sub-optimal play, which then hurts players that didn’t make mistakes on their initial placements. It felt similar to the Azul Joker Tiles to me and it changed the base Sagrada in a way that I didn’t enjoy. Maybe a second play would clarify more for me.
The Shivers – I only heard the elevator pitch of The Shivers but I wanted to speak on it as it has a clear oooo and awwww moment as the “board” is a pop-up with areas behind the walls that cards can slot into. This is another role-playing, story driven, social game that won’t be for everyone but is labeled as a children’s game of deduction and problem solving. I believe they’re aiming for a 2020 Kickstarter and I cannot wait to see more from this game. It will make you look twice and that’s something that the hobby needs.
Team3 – This is probably my choice for surprise pick of the convention. This, like Don’t Get Got, will be very group specific and requires at minimum three people to play so it’s very situational but we had a blast with this game. The gist is that the three players need to work cooperatively to build a structure using some large plastic three-dimensional Tetris-esque pieces. The builder closes their eyes and has to listen to their partner use their words to describe what and how to build. The player who is speaking is receiving their cues from the player that has a card that shows the structure they’re trying to build but can only communicate through hand gestures. Games last three minutes and there are several different levels to tackle. I loved this. It was silly and goofy and a game that I would normally never check out in a local game store or on a website. There were two editions: Green and Pink. The different versions each offer unique mini-expansions with the Green version having the builder receiving instructions from two different speakers while using both hands, individually, to create their structures and the Pink edition offers three-dimensional structures. We went with the Green as the Pink was too hard in the moment (not that using your hands individually will be any easier). This could be a really good team builder.
Unmatched: Jurassic Park – InGen vs Raptors – Unmatched seems to be a new miniature fighting game that will have multiple offshoots (in the Jurassic Park universe and elsewhere). There are asymmetrical powers that make both sides unique and each faction will use a specialized deck to dictate their play. The decks are thematic in nature to create a look and feel that resonates with the character they’re portraying. I was suckered in by the Jurassic Park IP but what has peaked my interest is the possibility of mixing and matching sets to have weird matches, such as a T-Rex against Robin Hood or Bigfoot versus Bruce Lee.
Valley of the Vikings – A kid-friendly dexterity game that has players using a kicker to “bowl” a ball into pins as you try and hit barrels that correspond to players walking the plank. When a plank is knocked over, the player moves forward on the plank. When they reach the end, they fall off the plank and are awarded no points for the round. It was a fun and light game that had more strategy than you think as players somewhat control the formation of the barrels and have to think about where to hit as it impacts the scoring for the round. The components were incredibly light so you don’t have to worry about injury if a rogue ball ends up off the table.
War Room – War Room has a table presence in all the ways the other games on this list do not: it’s large. I’m a huge fan of sprawling war games but never get an opportunity to play them as the subject matter doesn’t appeal to my group, it requires a large time commitment, and they’re typically a little complex. I was walked through a mock turn and while it seems like there’s a lot going on with the board layout and the components on the board, it wasn’t too bad. The game, from my short viewing, seems much more strategic than its obvious comparison, Axis and Allies. I felt like there were much more options than the standard opening salvos that A&A offer but that could also be due to the newness of the game shining through to me.
Welcome to… – This roll-and-write has players performing as architects and city planners for a 1950’s Hooverville as the Baby Boom is sweeping across America. I was surprised at this game as there was a lot more strategy going on than I originally suspected. I don’t think this is an overly complex game by any means but it does have a lot of small rules for players to keep in mind. The player sheet does help explain what’s going on but really that’s only helpful for the second game and beyond as I felt the symbols were not well known by our new players when we began. I think this is on a similar level to Welcome to Dino World in terms of complexity. The basis of the game is that three cards are revealed each round. Those cards offer a type of development for the neighborhood and are tied to the deck they were drawn from. That deck, still face down, has house numbers on the cards that match to the development that was just revealed. So if players want to place that pool, they need to use that house number when doing so. Just like real life however, players can only place one of each house number per street. Like other roll-and-write games, this one is pretty much simultaneous solitaire. I have no issue with that but it’s worth knowing as there’s no interaction between players besides who can score the objective goals each game. I really liked Welcome to… and fully expect to add it to our collection in 2020.
Yummy Yummy Pancake – This is a child’s dexterity/memorization game that is less concentration and more abstract randomness. In the pan goes several different pancakes and on a players turn, they flip them. This is not easy. I sent every pancake sprawling across the convention floor. I was so embarrassed. Anyways, when three or more pancakes flip over, players will take turns guessing what those face-down pancakes are. That’s pretty much it. The novelty of the pancakes and pan are cute and I could see this being fun with some younger children.
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Letter To An Israelite on Law and Grace

The following is a reply by an old friend of mine, Martin Zender, to a letter written to him in response to an old newsletter he wrote called The Idle Babbler Illustrated. I believe what Martin wrote is extremely important for everyone to understand, so I’ve copied the following (with permission) from his webpage:

Dear Martin,
I settled back on Friday evening to enjoy your latest newsletter, but found myself very saddened instead. I enjoyed it like a toothache. I think I must have cried myself to sleep that night after reading it. It appears to me that you have never really read through all of the law of God, much less studied it, before presuming to chop it into firewood for burning.
The first page was really atrocious! Do you really feel that God is/was so unjust as to subject those who sin in ignorance to capital punishment? The strident tone made it seem clear that you were accusing its author-God Himself-of sin and unrighteousness. Mr. Zender Sir, the Bible does not teach what you accused God of doing. Numbers 15:25 says, "it shall be forgiven them, for it is ignorance..." Please see all of verses 24 through 36.
As I started reading, I thought, "I'll bet he doesn't mention or even consider verses from the Gospels which contradict his argument." Sorry to say, I guessed right. To use your own reasoning, Matthew 5:17-19 does not need to be explained, only believed.
I believe that, in some sense the law continues for the Christian today, and in some sense it does not. Truth is seldom found at the extremes. Just as it is not true to say that the law saves us, the other extreme which says the law of God is totally done away is also very untrue. The key is to understand what that continuing purpose is for us today. Important to understand is that God's law was not to be abolished for the Christian, but instead to be written on our hearts and put into practice. Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8:10 tie this to the New Covenant, so it is something which has begun to take place during this present "Pentecostal Age," not just in a future age.
Sorry for the tone of this letter, but I cannot hide my disappointment with your latest writing. In my opinion, it seemed poorly researched, outright false on page one, disparaging to God's righteousness, and one-sided in its view of this subject in the New Testament.
--I am an Israelite
Dear Israelite,
Don't be sorry about writing this letter. As you are an Israelite according to the flesh, you have provided me with a unique opportunity to explain the vital differences between God's dealings with your race, and His dealings with mankind as a whole. An appreciation of these differences will help many people to better understand the law of Moses.
Willfully sinning donkeys?
Before I get into the law of Moses, I have some necessary defending to do. How is it that I accuse God of sin and unrighteousness on page one of my latest offering? I simply quote Exodus 19:11-13: God said, "Set a boundary for the people round about, saying: Guard yourselves concerning ascent into the mountain (Sinai) or touching its outmost part. Everyone touching the mountain shall be put to death, yea death. No hand shall touch him, for he shall be stoned, yea stoned or shot, yea shot; whether beast or man, he shall not live." Then I give a fictitious example of Moses carrying this out. Whether any man or beast actually touched the mountain and incurred the penalty is immaterial. The point I was making was that the rule existed, that it would be enforced, and that fear of death attended the coming of law.
You are so anxious to "prove" that God could never be "so unjust as to subject those who sin in ignorance to capital punishment," that you are seeking refuge in a law that didn't even exist at the time. I have read Numbers 15:24-36. These verses do say that sins of ignorance are forgiven. But the passage I quoted was from Exodus, chapter nineteen, verses eleven through thirteen. These passages detail events occurring before the coming of law. An ignorant boundary-crosser may have phoned his lawyer, but not even F. Lee Bailey could have cited a nonexistent precept.
Besides, the death penalty for touching Sinai applied to both man and beast. Note: "No hand shall touch him, for he shall be stoned, yea stoned or shot, yea shot; whether beast or man, he shall not live." As beasts are not willful sinners, how else could they have trespassed except in ignorance?
The issue here is neither ignorance nor willfulness. The issue is: touch the mountain and die.
Have you not read in First Chronicles, chapter thirteen, of how a man named Uzza attempted to steady the ark of the covenant (which contained the tablets of the law) and was struck dead on the spot? The ark was riding on an ox-drawn cart, the oxen stumbled, and the ark started to fall. Uzza instinctively reached out to steady it. Who wouldn't have? It was the ark of the covenant, for crying out loud. But he touched the ark (that was a no-no) and God killed him instantly (verse ten). Sheeesh! So much for Numbers 15. David had a real problem with God's tactics here (verse 11), and no doubt you still do, if you believe this passage at all.
I'll admit that this rule, "Touch the mountain and die," seems harsh. If Moses had dreamed it up, it would have been a sin. But since God Himself drafted it, it's righteous. God is righteous in all His ways (Ps. 145:17).
You are obviously upset. Either 1) God's methods are troubling you, or 2) you are ignorant of or cannot accept the fact that the present purpose of Mosaic law is to kill (2 Cor. 3:6). In any case, you're taking out your frustrations on me. Dude, I didn't make up that rule. I just quoted Scripture. Personally, I would have let folks off with a verbal warning.
Sunflowers on Sinai
Though you don't mention it in your letter, you have told me personally that you try to do the Mosaic law. This helps explain your attempt to plant flowers around Mount Sinai. You are in a state of denial. You are like the person who stands over a corpse at a funeral home and says, "Uncle Harold sure looks swell."
In denying the horribleness of death, the person at the funeral home, deep down, wants to be immortal. In denying the mercilessness of Sinai, you are, deep down, still wanting to please God with the keeping of law. You have what Paul calls "a zeal of God, but not in accord with recognition" (Rom. 10:2).
In this segment of Scripture dealing with Israel, Paul writes, "For Christ is the consummation of law for righteousness to everyone who is believing. For Moses is writing of the righteousness which is of law, that a man who does the same shall be living in it. Yet the righteousness of faith is....believing in your heart that God rouses Him from among the dead" (Rom. 10:4-6, 9).
Contrast the difference between the righteousness that comes from one's own efforts with the righteousness that comes simply by faith in the living Christ, who consummated law on your behalf.
This horse ain't moving, bro
Your brethren at Sinai had an excuse for attempting law, in that the law's underlying purpose to revive sin (Rom. 7:9), to cause offenses to increase (Rom. 5:20), to dispense condemnation (2 Cor. 3:9), and to deal out death (2 Cor. 3:7), was hidden from them. Even if you haven't grasped these Scriptures to the nations, you should know from the book of Hebrews that "there is coming to be a repudiation of the preceding precept because it is weak and without benefit; for the law perfects nothing" (7:18).
You are still trying to accomplish something that is "weak and without benefit and perfects nothing." Either you are the most frustrated person alive or a master of self-deception. It's not the law's fault that it perfects nothing; the law is infirm because of the flesh (Rom. 8:3). But God did what was impossible to the flesh by sending His own Son (Rom. 8:3). You are now exhorted to have faith in this Son (Heb. 10:38), not elbow into His accomplishment.
Yes, after all this, the law will still fare forth from Zion (Is. 2:3). How? Because there is to be a transference of law (Heb. 7:12). It will still be law, every jot and tittle of it (Mt 5:17-19), but it won't be law in accord with the fleshly precept (Heb. 7:16). It won't be the variety of law that made Moses say, "do this and live in it!" (Rom. 10:5). That's the dead horse you're still trying to ride. It will be the variety that He has already consummated: "Christ is the consummation of law for righteousness to everyone who is believing." But you are an Israelite and so this is too simple for you. You stumble on the stumbling stone:
"The nations who are not pursuing righteousness overtook righteousness, yet a righteousness which is out of faith. Yet Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, into a law of righteousness does not outstrip. Wherefore? Seeing that it is not out of faith, but as out of law works, they stumble on the stumbling stone..." -Rom. 9:31-32.
Honestly, now
Honestly, are you really attempting law? Are you going to Jerusalem three times a year? Are you slaughtering animals on the temple altar? You say, "the ceremonial law (the divine service) has been abolished while the moral law (the Ten Commandments) has not." But you are making this up. There is no such thing in the Scriptures as splitting the law in this manner. The Scriptures say, "Accursed is everyone who is not remaining in all things written in the scroll of the law, to do them" (Gal. 3:10).
I understand that you can't do the whole law today. For one thing, His sanctuary is not in your midst (Ez. 37:28). For another thing, the house of Israel is still among the nations (Amos 9:9). For another thing, the Mount of Olives has yet to receive His feet (Zech. 14:4). For another thing, David, who will preside as king when God's statutes are finally observed (Ez. 37:24), is still dead (Ac. 2:29). But, brother, don't whack the law short to accommodate your failure. There's nothing wrong with the law, it's your timetable that's flawed.
That you are currently trying to do law (and failing, I safely assume) witnesses to the fact that the new covenant has not yet begun. When the law is written on your heart (which is the essence of the new covenant, Jer. 31:31) then you won't be able to help doing it. Then the law will be an inward reality, not an outward compulsion, as at present. In claiming the powers of the new covenant now, you're doing exactly as your brethren of old; you are "pursuing a law of righteousness that is not out of faith, but as out of law works" (Rom. 9:31-32). The antithetical thoughts here are pursuing and faith.
Be like Abraham and give up
The new covenant comes when your people stop pursuing. By dabbling in law now, you are like your father Abraham who "dabbled in" Sarah's maid in an attempt to produce the promised seed. It's no good. In the current era, the law is supposed to humble you (Rom. 7:7-24), not challenge you. Only when Abraham stopped pursuing and apprehended his worthlessness (Rom. 4:19) did the promised seed come. Likewise, only when you stop playing law and are reduced to faith (which is actually a promotion), will you appreciate the righteousness of God (Rom. 10:3). The well-apprised Israelite today is found waiting for the promise (Hab. 2:3), not struggling to fulfill it. Messiah is coming to rescue you (Rom. 11:26), not congratulate you.
Now, faith.
As described in your own Scriptures (the letter to the Hebrews), faith is "an assumption of what is being expected"(Heb. 11:1). The writer confirms elsewhere that the new covenant (Heb. 10:16) is an expectation (Heb. 10:23, 7:19). "Now expectation, being observed, is not expectation, for what anyone is observing, why is he expecting it also?" (Rom. 8:24). It is your faith that is to be perfected now (Heb. 12:2), not your law-keeping skills.
Here's your list of things to do
The letter to the Hebrews was written for those of your brethren who had tasted of the wonders of the kingdom at Pentecost, but had seen that kingdom withdraw to an undetermined time in the future (Acts 1:6-7, Rom. 11:15,25). Now, resigned to a future fulfillment of the promises (Heb. 11:13), yours becomes a matter of saluting the promises ahead (Heb. 11:13), of retaining the avowal of the expectation (Heb. 10:23), of inciting one another to love and ideal acts (Heb. 10:24), and of not forsaking the assembling of yourselves (Heb. 10:25). Elsewhere, you are instructed to wait for Christ's physical return (Zech 14:4), to anticipate the reuniting of the kingdoms (Ez. 37:15-23), and to look forward to being planted permanently on sacred soil (Amos 9:15). None of this mentions "attempting the Mosaic law."
Wondering, trying, pretending
The new covenant is not a good Israelite here and a good Israelite there; it is to be a national covenant (Jer. 31:34) that will energize the corporate heart of your people to do all the law (Jer. 31:33). Even the new birth (Jn. 3:7) awaits fulfillment, for this concerns the entire nation Israel (Is. 66:8), not scattered individuals from among it. When the Rescuer does arrive out of Zion, "He will be turning away irreverence from Jacob" (Rom. 11:26). This will happen at the same time the new covenant begins (Rom. 11:27). Has God already begun to turn away irreverence from Jacob? Not according to recent AP reports from the Middle East.
When the law is finally written on your heart, you and your brethren--as well as the whole world--will know it. He will be your God, and you shall be His people (Zech. 8:8). Then, the law shall fare forth from Zion (Is. 2:3). In other words, there will be no more trying. There will be no more wondering if, or pretending that, the kingdom has come. When the kingdom does come, it will be so obvious that those who thought it was "spiritual" (that is, an unobservable, non-political kingdom) will laugh with delight. But what could be more spiritual than Christ literally fulfilling His literal promises to literal Israel?
Tapping the vein
I did not dodge Matthew 5:17-19. It's just that eight pages on my newsletter, The Idle Babbler Illustrated, accommodates only so much babbling. With this question, you have forced this newsletter into a tremendously broad vein of truth. The following cannot be a play-by-play analysis, but only a highlight film.
Rather than reprint the entire context of Matthew 5:17-19, I will play excerpts from it against statements from Paul:
Jesus: I came not to demolish [the law], but to fulfill [it].
Paul: Yet now, apart from law, a righteousness of God is manifest (Rom. 3:21).
Jesus: Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota (the smallest Hebrew letter) or one serif (the small projection which distinguishes Hebrew letters) may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.
Paul: Yet now we were exempted from the law (Rom. 7:6).
Jesus: Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them (the precepts of the law), he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
Paul: You were put to death to the law through the body of Christ (Rom. 7:4).
Jesus: Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called.
Paul: We are reckoning a man to be justified by faith apart from works of law (Rom. 3:28).
Now we're getting to the crux of a long-running theological argument: Is the law done away with, or isn't it? As usual, Paul throws a wrench into everything. In these verses, Paul seems to be undoing everything Jesus said. He even seems to be pitting our Lord against Himself. In the second to last example, we have believers being put to death to the law through the same Christ Who forbade His followers to annul it.
When we try to reconcile these, we end up making confusing statements like the one you made on page one of your letter: "In some sense the law continues for the Christian today, and in some sense it does not."
I disagree with you that truth is "seldom found at the extremes." Truth lives there.
Here's the answer to the argument: the statements quoted above are not supposed to be reconciled.
Tremendous differences
There are tremendous differences between what are known in the Scriptures as "the evangel of the Uncircumcision" and "the evangel of the Circumcision" (Gal. 2:7). This is not the same evangel ("gospel") going two different directions. No, these are two different evangels (different "good newses"), one going to Israel via Peter, and one going to non-Israelites (and to those of the chosen nation who could hear it), via Paul. Peter did not pass the baton of the Circumcision evangel to Paul, as is popularly supposed.
Paul states in Galatians 1:12 that he did not accept his particular good news "from a man." Obviously, then, he did not receive it from Peter. This, along with the fact that Paul had to explain his evangel to Peter (Gal. 2:1-2), demolishes the idea that Paul dispensed the evangel of the Circumcision. "Nor was I taught it," Paul declares, "but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ" (Gal. 1:12).
Understand the differences between these two evangels, and many so-called contradictions in the Bible will disappear. Scriptures that wax fragrant in one place smell like fish elsewhere. Kept where they belong, all Scriptures satisfy the soul.
The differences between these evangels lie at the heart of our argument about law. In failing to understand these differences, you continue under the false assumption that the words our earth-bound Lord spoke to Israel must be reconciled with those the risen Christ gave to the nations via Paul. Instead of "correctly cutting the Word of Truth (2 Tim. 2:15)," you have tried to fix it.
Let no man join what God has put asunder.
"In some sense the law continues for the Christian today, and in some sense it does not." No, my friend. Law and grace do not and cannot mix. By trying to make the grace of Paul "fit" into the law of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, James and the rest, you have created a Frankenstein. In short, you have "distorted the evangel of Christ" (Gal. 1:6-7).
The evangel of the Circumcision
When Christ was on earth, He was "the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises" (Rom. 15:8). Jesus Himself said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Mt. 15:24). The Circumcision, obviously, are your brethren according to flesh. The patriarchal promises include the promise God made to your forefather, Abraham. This promise concerns Abraham's descendants (which includes yourself) becoming a channel of blessing to all the families of the earth (Gen. 12:3). Later, the good news that these promises would be fulfilled through Jesus Christ, the Messiah, became known as "the evangel ("gospel," or "good news") of the Circumcision" (Gal. 2:7).
It concerns the earth
Only an Israelite-or one closely associated with the chosen nation-would have understood the evangel of the Circumcision. Not only was Israel the sole recipient of Circumcision, but she was the only nation selected to mediate between God and other nations. Under the headship of Messiah, she would teach the other nations about God during a glorious, thousand-year kingdom (Rev. 20:4) on a restored earth (Ac. 3:21; Ez. 34:27), when the law would finally go forth with power (Mic. 4:2). After our Lord ascended to heaven following His rejection, death and resurrection, Peter became the caretaker of this evangel.
Again, the promises and prophecies from God to Israel concerned the earth. The "kingdom of the heavens" Jesus constantly referred to was heavenly in character, (it was of the heavens), but it was located on the earth (Mt. 5:5). Even the holy City, new Jerusalem would not be in heaven, but would descend out of it (Rev. 21:2), to earth. If you had asked Peter, after Christ's resurrection, "What do you think heaven is going to be like?" he might have answered, "I've never really thought about it." Why would he? Peter's heart's desire was to sit on a throne and judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Mt. 19:27-28). In heaven? No. "Thou dost also make them a kingdom and a priesthood for our God, and they shall be reigning on the earth" (Rev. 5:10). No human being had ever heard of "going to heaven" until Paul wrote his letter to the Ephesians.
Limited and local
Up until now, we have dealt exclusively with your expectation, and that of your brethren according to flesh, who are Israelites. I think you have forgotten that the Mosaic law (and the evangel of the Circumcision) was given only to your nation and its proselytes. It was not given to anyone removed from the sphere of Judaism. Paul says in Romans 2:14 that the nations (understood in this context to mean non-Israelites) "have no law." You are trying to include everyone under a set of decrees that was given exclusively to members of your race. As the law never came to non-Israelites, it certainly cannot continue with them. I am not claiming that the law is totally done away for you and those of your race who embrace the evangel of the Circumcision. What I am claiming is that the law does not even exist for those among the nations to whom it never came.
The Mosaic law is not the foundation of God's dealing with humanity as a whole. The law was a limited, local, and national demonstration for one nation (Israel) and one land (from Dan to Beersheba) and one religion (Judaism). It was not designed for all men in every land and every nation. For these, God had a completely different program in mind, with a completely different good news ("gospel," or "evangel") to go with it. We will be looking into that evangel shortly.
One bomb at a time
Jesus Christ's focus during the days of His flesh was purposely narrow. As our Lord ministered to His brethren concerning the earthly kingdom, none could have dreamed of the new evangel He would announce after His ascension among those who had never heard of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This new evangel would not flower until about thirty years later, when the apostate nation had been temporarily cast away (Acts 28:26-28, Rom. 11:15).
Our Lord's kin couldn't even understand their call to shepherd the earthbound (Gen. 12:3), let alone a ministry among celestial beings where they would lose their fleshly advantage (Eph. 3:6). Jesus said to Nicodemus: "If I told you of the terrestrial and you are not believing, how shall you be believing if I should be telling you of the celestial?" (Jn. 3:12).
While He was on earth, our Lord did not tell Nicodemus, or anyone else, about the celestial inhabitants who, just as much as the earthly ones, needed reconciled to God (Eph. 6:12; Col. 1:20). These deeper, more radical counsels would come out later with the proclamation of the new evangel, to become known as "the evangel of the Uncircumcision" (Gal. 2:7).
Under our Lord's earthly ministry, non-Israelites could only receive the scraps that fell from the table of the chosen nation (Mt. 15:27). At that time, non-Israelites were "apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world" (Eph. 2:12).
Enter a new evangel
Things began to change when a bloodthirsty Pharisee named Saul encountered Christ on the road to Damascus (Acts, chapter nine), outside the land of Israel. The risen Lord was now apprehending a messenger who would disclose His deepest counsels, including heretofore unimagined aspects of the cross (Col. 1:20) and unheard-of realms of ministry (Eph. 2:6). This unworthy (renamed Paul) was given secrets (1 Cor. 4:1, Eph. 3:3, Col. 1:27) that were, until that time, concealed in God (Eph. 3:8-9). That's right. You will find no hint of this ministry in either the Old Testament, or in the four gospel accounts, or in the book of Acts, or from Hebrews on to the end of the Bible.
(Why did Christ choose Saul? Christ's message through Saul/Paul was to be one of utter grace: no law, no baptism, no Sabbath-keeping, no covenants. Grace of such novel proportions shined brightest among the vile. And so that is where it first went. As with Saul, this message changed those it engulfed.)
This new evangel, while not displacing the Circumcision evangel (important to note), would eclipse it in sphere and in glory. While God-fearing Israelites hoped for forgiveness (Acts 5:31), a new birth (Jn. 3:7), and an earthly inheritance (Mt. 5:5), tree-worshipping sodomites were encountering justification (Rom. 4:5), a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and every spiritual blessing among the celestials (Eph. 1:3). Do you see problems arising? Me, too.
Scratching heads, throwing rocks
So radical were the truths Paul dispensed among non-Israelites that not even Peter could fully grasp them. In 2 Peter 3:16, the disciple of our Lord writes that there are, in Paul's epistles, "some things hard to apprehend." Those Israelites who couldn't write threw rocks.
Because this evangel (Paul boldly calls it "my evangel" -Rom. 2:16) operated apart from their law, apart from their covenants, apart from their baptisms, apart from their circumcisions and (this really irked them) apart from their mediation, most Israelites (believing Israelites, mind you) hated it. Some, like you, denied that it even existed. Most vented their frustrations upon the lonely caretaker of this evangel-Paul. Again, while this new evangel did not displace the evangel of the Circumcision, it clashed with it on nearly every point. And it still does today. Like the disputes in the first century churches, most modern theological arguments stem from a failure to distinguish between these two good newses.
Take Paul's letters out of the Bible, let the book of Acts snap up against the book of Hebrews, and you have a complete, smooth, and consistent revelation of God's counsels for the earth, via the priesthood and kingship of Israel. Paul is a pause in God's program with the chosen nation. (Even Paul's name, in the Greek, means "pause.") For the Scriptures to make sense, Paul's writings must be considered a separate revelation.
Speak for thy self
You quote Jeremiah, chapter 31 and Hebrews, chapter 8 to prove that "God's law was not to be abolished for the Christian, but instead to be written on our hearts and put into practice." Again, the law cannot be abolished among people to whom it never came. When you say "the Christian" and "our hearts," you must be speaking for yourself and your fellow Israelites. Not only are these passages excerpted from writings given to your brethren (Jeremiah and Hebrews), but you are the only nation on the face of the earth to be given God's law (Rom. 2:14,17-18; 9:4). The law of God was never to be written on the hearts of any but Israelites. God deals with the Uncircumcision apart from law (Rom. 3:21). Those who receive Paul's evangel are "exempted from" the law (Rom. 7:6), most having never received it in the first place. Why would anyone "put into practice" something he is exempted from?
Again, I am not discarding God's promises to you. The key here is: to you. One of the biggest mistakes believers make today is spiritualizing (which is only a fancy word for disbelieving) God's literal promises to literal Israelites concerning a literal kingdom. Because they don't see this kingdom happening, they either pretend that it's happening ("preterism") or suppose that it won't happen ("amillennialism").
Because blessings come now apart from Israel (Rom. 11:15), those who spiritualize Scripture imagine it will always be so. If they could grasp the difference between the evangel of the Uncircumcision and that of the Circumcision, they would not try to force so many of God's promises onto peoples and times where they do not and cannot belong.
In closing
The evangel of the Uncircumcision is not limited to non-Israelites. Rather, it calls together into one body those chosen to hear it (Eph. 1:4), who lose their national distinctions (Gal. 3:28) under the headship of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13). This evangel must be distinguished from that of the Circumcision, which, even in the thousand years (Mt. 19:28), and in the new earth (Rev. 21:1), continues to recognize Israelites (Rev. 21:12).
Friend, God has already chosen you long ago for one or the other. Either you are a part of the bride of the Lambkin (John 3:29; Rev. 21:9), or you belong to the body of Christ (Col. 1:24). You cannot be both, any more than a bride can simultaneously be a bridegroom. Your zealousness for law, your national pride, and your puzzlement over Paul do seem to tie you to the former. But only God knows. Paul invites you to greater graces.
To everyone else who is reading this: Have the words and actions of our Lord on earth sometimes disquieted rather than comforted you? Our Israelite friend is comforted by these words, yet puzzled by Paul. Perhaps it has been the opposite for you. Does the gospel of God's lavish grace you read of in Romans, chapters three through eight, thrill you? Do these radical doctrines suit your disposition? Does the idea of righteousness apart from law cause your spirit to soar? Does the earth seem a foreign place to your feet? Yes! But how often has your spirit been shipwrecked when trying to make this gospel fit with the rigid severity of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, James and Revelation? Just when you thought you were saved for good, a foreign gospel pummeled your peace.
All Scriptures were written for us, but not all of them were written to us. The Jesus Who walked the earth will not be disappointed if you now turn to hear His grand, celestial secrets, whispered from heaven to an unworthy sinner named Saul.
Sincerely, Martin.
P.S.--To the website reader: Click HERE to see the many differences between the Gospel of the Circumcision, and that of the Uncircumcision.
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RDO: Overhaul (ideal future, ideas and tweaks)

This may come off as another bitch-post and maybe it is, but were in lock-down and the only responsible thing to do now is obsess over the game that I think has the most wasted potential of it’s generation.
So, here comes a wall-of-words with the intent of proposing additions, patches and adjustments in gameplay/ menu mechanics and general quality of life fixes that I hope come to this game either in this generation or the next. I’ll keep the common complaints short and place them at the end, but I will list them b/c this game has too much potential to still be saddled with day one bugs so far down the road.
Yes, I will be submitting this through the website where Rockstar ignores it’s customers.
Now my proposals on how to improve the quality of life, engagement and fun-factor. Credit to u/mannishman11 who posted a list of suggestions on this subreddit that I’ll be taking some ideas from and building upon.
**The hope** 
The riverboat update/expansion:
Exactly what it sounds like. Use the template of one of the current riverboats or create a new “megaboat”. It’d be a place to congregate within a lobby but also house all games available in free roam in one convenient location (main deck), high stakes, no limits poker (top deck) and in the boiler room there’d be a fight club. No killing but you can be dazed and no tonics (rest/spectate to recover at an accelerated rate).
This should be a hedonistic playground for the high levels. Somewhere for them to congregate, flex just a little bit and finally something to spend their money on (and risk losing it all if they end up on the wrong side of lady luck.
You’d access the riverboat from the St. Denis docks for a $100 entrance fee for each time you travel to it. and it’d have a dress code (not in love with that idea, but I like the idea of forcing players to dress up/not all look like bruised and battered heathens all the time lol).
so you got too much money and nothing to spend it on, huh? how about you come on down to St. Dennis and risk it all (no limit games restricted to player vs player / no player vs cpu).
(In lobby mass message | mannish elaboration) Free roam is far too isolated and those looking for potential posse members /new friends/or players just looking for a fist fight have no option other than to use bullets and rudimentary emotes (or their guns/fists) to make their intent clear. And that’s only if you happen to cross another player on the massive map. This can be solved by introducing the newsboy into RDO or Implementing a “telegram” service at the post offices.
How it’d work:
Travel to a newsboy or post office>interact with PO or NB by using L2 (I’ll be speaking in PS4)>add the option to write a message to the lobby by pressing square while focused on the PO or NB and then write a message or provide a button propped list of options to blast out (posse up anyone? Bounty hunt? Duel? etc.
Everyone in that lobby would get a prompt that there is a message from a fellow player at the post office/at camp, if they choose to travel to and read the message they can accept or ignore. If they were to accept (provided by button prompts) they’d be spawned next to the inviting player and now you can interact with a like-minded player in your lobby without having to “soft-grief” to invite a player to a fight or just be alone if you happen to want to play with friends/others but none are on when you are.
You get 3 lobby message per lobby session and this'd need to be monitored by R* to prevent spamming/soliciting
DUEL (mannish tweak)
This is cowboy 101 and I’m disappointed that there is no variant of a duel in RDO atm, so let’s fix that!
approach a player > focus on that player with L2 > add the option to challenge to a duel by pressing square> if they accept then that brings up a menu prompt and after long-pressing start you are brought to the duel menu.
classic: opposing ends duel (possibly with the single player mechanics adapted to RDO).
Paces: Start back to back and take 10 paces in either direction. Your camera will be in a “cinematic state” (A high angle shot that slowly zooms in on you until the count of ten has been reached. At that point your camera whips around to face the opponent and you attack and react. Those that employ quickdraw should have a massive advantage over those who try to use the standard autolock. Also, maybe add some effects to the “paces” tighten the tension and show your players nervousness
1 shot: classic opposing ends duel, but with only one bullet in each players side arm of choice. You take your shot on the mark and if you don’t win with the gun then it’s down to blades and fists.
There could also be auto prompts/telegrams to go out to the lobby when a duel had been agreed to to allow the other players to migrate to the area and spectate and possibly bet if they choose. There would have to be a safe area applied to the area to cut down on griefers. Players can fight each other while waiting in queue. All combat is cancelled for any spectators who may be onlooking once the duel is underway. The winner of a duel will have the opportunity to either leave or take on any challengers if they choose to do so.
MELEE (cannot possibly happen in the immediate because of the assumed need for additional motion cap.)
I’ve been playing this game too god damn long and I’m sick of shooting everything when this game has the foundation for so much more. I can’t find it now, but there was a post not too long ago showing some of the advanced melee (machete) fighting that had been scripted into the single player (that I’d honestly forgotten about). I feel like that’d be too much to ask, as the world is now, but eventually id like for melee to be elaborated on to come close to what could be.
Some of the most fun I’ve had is when free aim was first introduced to the showdown modes and I’d be able to dodge bullets in the wind while charging the either panicking or retreating opponent. Choosing to bring a knife to a gunfight and killing your opponent is something I want to experience more and I think others would as well.
But the variety dries up quickly. melee controls should be refined so that the player can better dictate if they want to tackle or attempt a standing attack while charging at an enemy.
obviously we'd need more tackle animations and more tackle counter animations and of course more creative executions.
Also the melee ability cards need to be buffed. If I run with of single purpose, Iron Lung and fool me once I should be tanky, especially if all of those cards are fully upgraded. I don’t want the advantage over shooters, I just want it to be viable to run a melee build if you play smartly (use cover and invest in abilities). As it is now there is an entire set of melee based ability cards that go unused for the most part.
Slippery bastard/ Return of the bastard
This card needs to be “re-buffed” to it’s original strength/effect with one caveat: it has a 10 second “afterburn” where, as the slippery bastard user, once you exit your deadeye state your enemy can immediately return to auto aiming, but you will still be free aim only for the next 10 seconds. I feel like that is a far better compromise than what they’ve currently done to SB.
Also, You should be unpaintable in SB.
I always looked at it as a way o make a melee build workable and an invitation to free aim kill me if you are so intent on killing me. You used to be able to sense the panic when an opponent had the crutch of auto aim swept from under their feet. That should be a thing again.
Racing/unleash the horses
The race series has become my guilty pleasure just in the last month. I’m addicted and I want more! In case you weren’taware there is a strong community in the race series where the appeal is mostly respect and chasing the win. I know this because I’ve won enough races to know that no one is there for the money.
In the here and now: I’d like to see more race styles: Long distance/marathon style point to point (like the Van horn to black water run from single player), team relay lap races, cart/chariot races in either solo or duos (one driver, one shootecombatant) and traditional races with no weapon spawns, just pure skill and knowledge of the maps with a little pushing and shoving and perhaps a machete or two along the way.
Also, and I hope this isn’t controversial because I’ve always found it silly. Don’t normalize the horses! We paid for and saddled up the horses we want and come to know and love them for how they handle in free roam. It takes the spit out of a race to have rubber band physics bring the pack back into the race when you’d left them behind fair and square.
If you come out with a war horse then know that you are not going to win by racing clean so be a bully and use the mass and strength of your horse as a weapon to at least try and neutralize the faster horses. Alternatively if you're out there with an Arabian then you should do everything you can to avoid contact and get to wide open spaces to let your speed do the work. This would need a reworking of the race collision detection(which is needed anyway), but Id like the strategy that this would introduce and more importantly my fast horse will also feel fast while in a race, hopefully.
If you come out with a saddler or a Shire you’re not winning. And that’s ok because you signed up for a race and you brought a slug as your steed (though stricter matchmaking can solve the disparity between the OG’s and new-comers).
Finally, I dream of a race that takes you from one side of mount Shan and ends on the other side of it after racing and working around the cliffs and ledges near the peak of the mountain; would also love courses in, Tall trees, NE new Hanover, and the heartlands.
Bandits (expansion/role | Mannish tweak)
Banks, passenger trains, stores, and civilians are now fair game The mechanics would work similar or exactly as in single player.
I imagine there’d be free roam events and “search and shoot” missions that surround this role, but those are basic and not worth my time. I’d much rather talk about my idea for “who runs this town”:
If you, as a bandit or a bandit posse, survive enough npc police and maybe 3 rounds of bounty hunters then you should trigger a mode where bounty hunters can keep coming but now licensed bounty hunter players will now be alerted that you’ve taken over a town and those bounty hunter characters should be given the option to join the fight to liberate the town from the agitating posse or ignore it.
While under their control the person or posse will steadily collect money from the local shops. That money is theirs after a certain amount of time has elapsed. Or if you’re able to liberate the town then you collect the cash.
So if you think you’re a badass and want to try and liberate a town by yourself you can try, ditto for if you’re able to rustle up a posse. That town becomes unavailable to take over after 1 “seige” if you are in a posse that took over a town then that counts for your one chance for the day (possibly more limitations to prevent spamming).
Bounty hunters
NPC bounty hunters are a drag in RDO. I personally try to nurse a healthy bounty so that real bounty hunters have a chance to come and get me. I don’t want to fight a small army of NPC’s, especially at the ridiculous rate that they keep coming after you. If I wanted to do that I could just start killing cops in St. Dennis.
My solution: every bounty is collectable by any license holding bounty hunter (so basically anyone. This could also be implemented in a way by a toggle option to “deny npc bounty hunters”. A player with a bounty on their head would glow red and their bounty would be displayed over their head (above their gamer tag).
I imagine this'd create a ton of tension the next time you cross paths with a fellow player who seems to be staring a bit too hard at you and your $25 bounty.
Either that or give me the ability to evade the NPC bounty hunters as I can do in single player.
Also, bounty hunters should only get their reward if they’re able to bring in the target alive.
There’s nothing more anti-climatic than getting the notification that you’re being hunted after carefully growing your bounty only to have the chase end with an explosive round. No killing, but the target should be able to be downed (with their health returning slowly over time so they have a chance to slip the hogtie and make a run for it). This keeps the "fight for the bounty" alive longer and ups the competition factor.
Horse rustling/breaking (role ?)
Intended mainly to give wild horses a reason to exist and part of the larger “bandit overhaul”. Wild horses can now be sold at the stables after a successful breaking in. They can also be saddled, but no wild horse should have better stats than the breed horses for sale at the stable (wild horses should match the lowest stat available for that horse breed in the stables).
Additionally you should be able to sell your owned horses for half the original price, instead of purely discarding them.
Saddles should be able to be edited after purchased and sold for half the original price.
Embrace modders ala Fallout 4
If RDO can create an open, creative marketplace for mods similar to what happened with FO4 then this game gets a new lease on life and potentially becomes immortal. There'd have to be restrictions based on competitive advantage, but if it can be done then it'd change the game.
Pack mule/donkey You should be allowed to buy a pack mule and one of several large capacity saddles to equip. But there has to be some risk. I say you can have your pack mule, but as long as it is in use it is accessible to everyone so your “treasure” can be stolen if you’re not on guard.
The donkey is as fast as a scrawny nag and has unlimited stamina.
I’d like to see this implemented with a “gold panner” role, but don’t have much of an idea how to make that enjoyable.
Farming role (mannish)
I have no interest in it, but I do have interest in rustling your cattle/horses. As long as bandits are able to add an element of risk then I’d love to see people get the farming role that seems to be so popular here.
Kayak/white water race
Because why not! A 16 head race via kayak down the Dakota or on flatiron lake with stormy weather.
Triathlon Self-explanatory. Horseback>Kayak/swimming>Footrace
Another idea based on bringing players together and getting them away from the job-like grind. Maybe hosted at McFarland or the stables of Valentine.
Players get to ride a bucking bull. This would only work with extensive motion capture and taking the physics to the extreme.
The main appeal would be the carnage once the bull wins.
I’d like this to be an “open event” where it occurs naturally in the freedom and anyone who happens to be crossing by could stop, rest and watch the show.
The area would have to be a passive space to prevent griefing.
Marine warfare
There’s a lot of boats on the water; would be a shame if someone were to fix a cannon to one of em…
A simple idea, maybe implemented in a showdown series, but let’s make use of the water and the environments. How about a steamboat battle on Flatiron lake at sundown. One person steers, the other is the gunner.
There could also be variants of this idea or a king of the mountain kind of event where one posse holds control of one of the larger riverboats and the opposing posse is tasked with boarding and subduing the ship.
This would be best with expanded melee and by making it melee only imo.
Horde mode
Simple fun. Hosted at FT. Mercer. You and your friends take on an army of enemies of your choice. From Del Lobos, a herd of Grizzlies to an ever expanding pack of Florida Panthers.
See how long you can hang on.
Ability card load outs
Racing, free roaming, in a showdown series, out to hunt, handling a random attacker. Each scenario requires very different ability card load outs and accessing the cards to “shuffle them” isn’t very effective when you find yourself in the midsts. There should be an option to save and equip your 5 favorite ability card setups.
Private lobbies
I was against private lobbies until I got into one myself. I imagine entry level players would greatly appreciate a private lobby so that they can get their footing while not having to worry about a level 300 making their life miserable.
And, as long as the game still features bugs that are solved by having a restricted server then why not (or at least keep the current private glitch open as a nod to the issues).
For this to work and be fair I’d propose that there be no long distant deliveries in a private lobby and your local deliveries pay 75% of what it’d pay in a open lobby
Free aim showdowns
Free aim showdowns to be a constant option, not part of a rotating slate. They are a unique setting in this game and the players who gravitate to that play style have no other option at the moment.
Enough with the limited showdowns I know what I want to play and I know what I don’t want to play, so let the players select the showdown they want to engage in without having to endure several rounds of games that they don’t want to play.
And yes, I would disallow PIB in all free-aim sessions. People chose to play free-aim, free-aim is distinctly atypical from the standard RDO experience, so it should be expected that you, the player who chose to join a free-aim session should adjust.
!!!!!!!!!! Snipers !!!!!!!!!!
I cannot describe how i loathe what has become of snipers in this game. No more sniper dance!
If you are looking down your scope then you are locked in or made extremely slow. I’d also do away with the sniper aim assist, but that’s less offensive than the sniper dance mess that has developed as a trend in this game.
Just do a good-old fashion death match. It ain’t that hard
**Quality of life** 
Ready Showdown “ready-up” should start the game at 1/2 of the players in lobby readying up
Store melee weapons in locker
I have a reinforced lasso. I am never going to intentionally select the regular lasso. Let me get it and all the other melee and throwable weapons out of the way.
Customizable horse coats
There is no reason that certain coats are tied to a certain tier of horse breeds. Sure, this would lead to a ton of black horses out there, but we’d also get to see some of the more unique coats that never make it out of the stables because they’re tied to lesser tier of horse breeds.
Saddle up your hunting wagon
You’ve got 10 horses in your stable… you should be able to use at least one of them on your hunting wagon to make it more personalized.
Custom arrange your stable
For those who have clear favorites. If ypu’re a player who has maxed out their stable spaces I’d imagine it’d be appreciated to be able to sort your horses, making the horses you are most active with be readily available to be selected.
Custom Arrange your consumables / store consumables Those canned peaches are for moonshinnin', not for eating!
Hold to cook all
Read the heading. This ain’t single player and this isn’t immersion, it’s a pain. Or integrate cripps into the scenario and have him cook meat that you donate to the trader table and have that meat be stored, when cooked, in the lockbox.
Hold x to maintains speed (on horse)
See above
Cinematic auto pilot on carts
Because it makes no sense that I have to continuously press ‘x’ to keep the cart in motion. Just let the carts go into auto-pilot like we can with horses.
Execute wounded animals
I’ll buy 15 gold bars immediately and just for this ability.
Share weapons with posse members.
If you find yourself in a posse with a low-level player it’d be a nice touch to “loan” one of your unused weapons to them. The loan would end as soon as that posse member leaves or the posse is disbanded.
Be allowed to breakdown carcases in wagon in order to make space
Shouldn’t have to lose a 2 star buck to make space for a 3 star panther. Just allow the player to break down the “discarded animal” for its pelt and meat.
Alert! You have been... If what I continue to read is true and RDO is hosted P2P and not with dedicated servers then that shit needs to change. If someone can elaborate on how that decision (if true) is more than a lazy cost saving measure then feel free to clue me in. You're Rockstar. The dominant player in open world gaming. You can afford to host servers in service of your players.
**The issues:** 
The 10 ton bug in the room
Fix the bugs. All the bugs.
We all know what they are and we are updating our lists as new ones sprout up. Fix this. Don’t wait for the next generation of consoles, and if there is some massive. My $500 delivery should not have it’s supplies spawn underneath the map in valentine when it get’s wrecked in the Great Plains… That’s just the newest and most infuriating variation on the RDO rodeo (what I call the experience of trying to stick with this game while dealing with all the various frustrations). I’ve been playing games since the SNES, I was there for the first online multiplayer experiences on consoles. And I have never experienced such deep and persistent errors and issues with a tripleA game.
This is pretty much the only game I play online at the moment so I can’t speak too much about the other underachievers (Fallout 76, No Mans Sky) but from what I read the experiences there are and have improved by leaps and bounds leaving RDO as the buggy mess where you kinda gotta expect to get screwed over at some point so that you are mentally prepared for it and don’t launch your controller into the ceiling. This is not a good look.
Anybody out there?
Communicate/interact with us (the players/the customers). RDO is the only game I play online with, but hearing of other games and their community managers, maps for the future and general interaction with their players. Just letting us know what is to come / what we have to expect / what we have to “work toward” would go a long was in soothing the frustrations of the player base. At the very least I hope that at least acknowledge the bugs in some way, at least that would signal that a solution is in the works.
Speaking callously, now is the time for acts of “public relations” R*/T2 clearly treat it’s players as customers first and foremost and only put up the slightest veil of being a “community”. That needs to change. We’re going through a goddamn pandemic, people are sheltered in place and social distanced. The time is now to make your push
At the very least put out a “we’re in this together” message with real content or additions/ discounts that the entirety of the player-base will enjoy, not just the newcomers - Now is the time to open up and really make the players feel like you care that you want to help the get through this by providing the most entertaining experience you possibly can, within reason. For the sake of the company, because I feel we all have a vested interest in seeing RDO become great, I hope the lines of communication open up past the suggestion webpage where you’ll likely get a prefab response no matter how detailed and specific your suggestion/issue was.
The lack of content is an issue and it is doubly damaging that there is no communication. You’ll always hear the defense that, “GTA didn’t have much content at this point in it’s life either,” but that was almost a generation of consoles ago when GTAO was released. GTAO’s timeline and learning curve should not be allowed to be applied to RDO because Rockstar now gets to work with a the foundation of what they learned from GTAO. It should be reasonable to expect RDO to have much more content than GTAO did at the same time in it’s timeline. Especially considering this is now the flagship of R*'s gaming catelogue.
Corona is also no excuse.
Some of these issues and the general lack of imagination have been an issue since beta. Yes, the pandemic will slow down progress now, but that doesn’t account for all the issues that have been overlooked and unattended while R*/T2 have been at the highest vigilance and respond almost immediately to money and gold glitches.
If You’re tired of complaints: Then you should have taken the note and skipped this section, you are not obligated to read every post on the sub.
Tired of negative posts: sorry, but if the game weren’t so broken and lacking then there wouldn’t be so many negative posts, though I hope that my hopes for the future can give others hope as well.
RDO isn’t being ignored, but it’s dying and people are losing the faith they once had in the potential of this game. Hopefully some of these ideas will gain favor with y’all and you’ll submit them or a version of them yourselves. If nothing else this can serve as an exercise of “what could be’s” while getting creative with what is capable in our cowboy dress-up sim.
I'd love to hear your ideas.
RDO has a fantastic foundation but it is the most frustrating game I have ever played from a major developer for the lack of support and content. The lack of content I can give a slight pass on since it’s mainly a selfish ask born out of the potential this game holds. The bugs are inexcusable, especially from a multi-billion dollar company that refuses to communicate. The fanbase is losing hope and I have my doubts they’ll still be here for the next generation “double-dip” that many are expecting to be the point when RDO really takes off. This game needs work now, the players/customers deserve content (and dropping a well-done expansion while everyone is social-distanced can only help player loyalty/affinity). The time is now. Get on your horse Rockstar!
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What's happening around town (Wed, May 29th - Tue, Jun 4th)

Oklahoma City's event list.


Wednesday, May 29th

  • Andy Hedges in Concert (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00pm Songster, storyteller, and guitarist Andy Hedges stops at The Blue Door in Oklahoma City for a special evening of…
  • 🍴 Anthem Drown Night! (HiLo Club - Oklahoma City) Our local friends at Anthem Brewing Co. have some great beers! Every Wednesday night from 9pm to close enjoy $8 Drown Night! Their Power Pils will be flowing!
  • Because It's Wednesday Band (The Deli - Norman) Start Time: 7:00pm Join us on Hump day and rock out with the Because It's Wednesday Band!
  • Bi-Weekly Meetup (51st st. Speakeasy - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:00pm
  • 🎓 Botanical Balance FREE Yoga (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:45pm Botanical Balance FREE YOGA presented by Fowler Toyota, sponsored by Tinker Federal Credit Union and Stephenson Cancer Center Tuesdays, 5:45 pm and Saturdays, 8 am Check in at the Visitor Center and find out location which changes depending on the season Instructors provided by This Land Yoga Bring a mat, water, and an “open mind”…
  • 🍴 Dope Poetry Night (ICE Event Center - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 7:30pm Every Wednesday night at the Ice Event Center Sports Bar and Grill located at the heart of Oklahoma City! Sign ups begin at 7pm and show begins at 7:30pmish. Free Admission! Free vendor set up! Bar Restaurant
  • Free Team Trivia Night (Othello's of Norman - Norman) Start Time: 8:00pm Join us every Wednesday for FREE Team Trivia Night at Othello's hosted by Challenge Entertainment! FREE to play! Play solo or bring your friends and play...
  • 🎡 Looking For Something? (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00pm Andy Hedges is a songster, reciter, storyteller, guitarist, and collector of cowboy songs and poems. The son of an Italian schoolteacher and a rodeo cowboy turned preacher, Andy was born in Lubbock, Texas, in the spring of 1980. He grew up in the small community of Tokio, Texas, where his family paid rent on an old farmhouse by looking after a…
  • 🎓 Managing Stress (Brahma Kumaris Meditation Center - Edmond) Start Time: 6:30pm Being stressed is uncomfortable. When you know why stress happens, you will know how to deal with it and how to antidote it. The trick is to learn the essential tools that stop stress happening.
    Regardless of its origins, stress drains our physical, emotional and mental energy.
    Several myths exist about the causes of stress and the most…
  • Reading Wednesdays, Ages 2-5 (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:30am Reading Wednesdays Every Wednesday, 9:30 am The Garden Classroom FREE Best for ages 2 to 5 Bring your youngster for story time each Wednesday at 9:30 am. Books are nature-themed and selected based on the season. We’ll begin with an interactive song and children will enjoy creating a small craft after the story. Join us the last Wednesday of…
  • 😂 Shang (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) Thru Sat, Jun 1st
  • SINGO Wednesdays (Lower Bricktown - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:30pm Beat the midweek hump with the new bar game that everyone is talking about! SINGO is a new and exciting musical spin on the traditional game of Bingo. Instead of listening for a number, players are listening to their favorite music. Enjoy 1/2 price domestic drafts & discounted appetizers! Plus we will be giving prizes each night to the winners.…
  • 🏆 Wild Wednesdays (Remington Park - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:00pm Enjoy more winning every Wednesday in May when Wild Wednesdays get started from 6 to 10pm. Just play the Remington Park Casino games while using your...

Thursday, May 30th

  • Art Adventures (Fred Jones Jr. Museum of Art - Norman) Start Time: 10:30am
  • 🎓 Blast Off to Summer! Summer Kick Off (Norman Public Library - Norman) Start Time: 10:30am Join Purcell Public Library as we kick off our Summer Learning Program with some out-of-this-world fun! Kids are invited to sign up for the challenge,...
  • 🎭 The Comedy Magic & Mentalism of Max Krause 13+ (Max's Magic Theatre - OKC - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:15pm 13+ Ages
  • Disney Trip Tips (Norman Public Library - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm A trip to Disney is a financial investment in family time. We want to help you save some time and money on your next trip to Disney. Come hear tips...
  • 🎓 Family Workshop: Twig Engineering (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 2:00pm Thursday, May 30, 2-3pm The Garden Classroom and Garden Grounds Member $6; Nonmember $8 Best for ages 8 to 11 Register by Friday, May 24 REGISTER HERE Calling all future scientists, engineers and foresters! Kids will use their imagination and STEAM skills to create twig boats out of natural materials. We’ll discuss ideas for successful boats…
  • Johnnyswim in Concert (The Jones Assembly - Oklahoma City) Head to The Jones Assembly in Oklahoma City for an evening of storytelling with Johnnyswim. Married couple and musical…
  • JOHNNYSWIM MOONLIGHT TOUR (The Jones Assembly - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:30pm To purchase tickets for this event, please visit our partner website HERE ! Doors at 6:30. Full bar and walk-up food window available. Rain or shine event. No re-entry. No refunds. No smoking. Under 16 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Support acts are subject to change without notice.
  • 🎓 Kharma (89th Street Collective - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 7:00pm Kharma with Exit Strategy and OTM This show is all ages. $10
  • Music to Meals: An ABLE Benefit (The Depot - Norman) Start Time: 7:00pm Local musicians Ken Pomeroy and Brother Heywood and will be providing the entertainment for our kick-off to summer concert, benefiting ABLE Community Based Services. Both musicians recently performed at the Rodeo Opry, in the historic Stockyards City in OKC. Hors d'oeuvres will be provided, courtesy of, and a cash bar will be available from El…
  • Navy Southwest’s 32nd Street Brass Band performance (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 11:00am Thursday, May 30, 11am and then again at 7pm Bandshell and The Devon Lawn FREE Bring lawns chairs, have a picnic In celebration of Navy Week (May 27-June 2) the Navy Southwest’s 32nd Street brass band will present two concerts in the Gardens. A short performance at 11am followed by a full brass band performance at 7pm. This band, stationed in…
  • Redbud Spectacular Horse Show (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Jun 9th The Oklahoma Quarter Horse Association hosts the annual Redbud Spectacular at the Oklahoma State Fair Park. Come and cheer…
  • 😂 Shang (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) Thru Sat, Jun 1st
  • Sick Ride // RedWitch Johnny (Blue Note - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:00pm Sick Ride -- disco death rock outta Lafayette, LA RedWitch Johnny -- fuzzy rock & roll from Stillwell, OK...
  • Toadies in Concert (Tower Theatre Studio - Oklahoma City) Catch grunge band Toadies live as they take the Tower Theatre stage in Oklahoma City. With seven studios' worth of…

Friday, May 31st

  • 🎨 Connect:Collect Print as Object (Oklahoma City University - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:00pm Connect:Collect “Connect:Collect” is a print exchange and exhibition which will introduce emerging and mid-career printmakers from Oklahoma to artists...
  • Food Truck Fridays (Moore Central Park - Moore) Sample a variety of tasty, creative eats served up fresh from food trucks on hand. At Food Truck Fridays in Moore, line up…
  • H&8th Night Market (Elemental Coffee - Oklahoma City) Once a year, gourmet food trucks, musicians and local businesses come together for the annual H&8th Night Market in…
  • Layers of Pink (The Deli - Norman) Start Time: 8:00pm
  • 🎭 Line Dance Your Way to the Stars (Norman Public Library - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm Join us as we blast off into summer with a boot scootin' good time! Adults and teens will move their celestial bodies to the tune of Country and Western...
  • Live @ Legacy: John Calvin and Camille Harp (Legacy Park - Norman) Start Time: 7:00pm
  • 🎨 Meeting Gorbachev (Oklahoma City Museum of Art - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:30pm In this absorbing new documentary from the most mercurial master of the form, Werner Herzog (Grizzly Man, Cave of Forgotten Dreams), we witness Soviet...
  • Oklahoma City Pro Am Classic (Central Oklahoma City - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Jun 2nd Dedicate your weekend to food, fun, fuel and entertainment at Oklahoma City Pro Am Classic, a three-day cycling…
  • Redbud Spectacular Horse Show (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Jun 9th The Oklahoma Quarter Horse Association hosts the annual Redbud Spectacular at the Oklahoma State Fair Park. Come and cheer…
  • 😂 Shang (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) 1 day left
  • Street Noise, Johnny Manchild, & Limp Wizurdz (89th Street Collective - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 7:00pm Presenting one of OKC's newest pop-punk/indie rock bands: Street Noise! Johnny Manchild and The Poor Bastards and Limp Wizurdz will also grace us with...
  • Struggle Jennings - Meet & Greet (Your Mom's Place - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00pm Headliner: Struggle Jennings Main Support: Brianna Harness Big Buzz The Stixxx
  • Summer Celebration Series: Weather (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 10:00am Friday, May 31, 10 am-2 pm Children’s Garden Member $5; Nonmember $7 Join us for the first of three Summer Celebrations in the Children’s Garden as we explore the thunderous topic of weather! Demonstrations, hands-on activities, experiments, crafts, games and more will be available for families to learn about cloud types, storm formations…
  • 🍴 Teen YouTube Night (Guthrie Library - Guthrie) Start Time: 6:00pm This will be a fun filled night of trying not to laugh as each participant tries to get the audience to crack up. Snacks available. The City of...
  • 🍴 Tony and Tina's Wedding (Chester's Party Barn & Farm - Piedmont) Start Time: 7:00pm Due to the overwhelming interest, we have added another weekend to come and see and be involved in this immersive dinner theater show. State Door Theatre, in conjunction with Chester's Party Barn have created a dinner theater experience like no other.
  • What She Said Duo (Redrock Canyon Grill - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm
  • Wild Rumpus Summer Reading Kick-off with the Navy Brass Band (Edmond) Start Time: 6:30pm Help us celebrate the start of our Summer Reading Program in this event for the whole family! Our Wild Rumpus will feature a performance from the Navy 32nd Street Brass Band live from the stage in Shannon Miller Park. Bring your own lawn chairs and picnic blankets, we'll provide the lawn games, popcorn and water! Snow cones will be available for…

Saturday, Jun 1st

  • Betting On A Cure (Remington Park - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:00pm Help us Celebrate 10 Years of Betting on a Cure, Horsemen Helping Horsemen. Join us for an evening of exciting Quarter Horse Racing which includes the $1...
  • 🎓 Botanical Balance FREE Yoga (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00am Botanical Balance FREE YOGA presented by Fowler Toyota, sponsored by Tinker Federal Credit Union and Stephenson Cancer Center Tuesdays, 5:45 pm and Saturdays, 8 am Check in at the Visitor Center and find out location which changes depending on the season Instructors provided by This Land Yoga Bring a mat, water, and an “open mind”…
  • Central OK Heart Walk (Bicentennial Park - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00am The 2019 Central OK Heart Walk in Oklahoma City is a great way to have fun while staying healthy. Heart Walk encourages…
  • 🏆 CMSA Mid Central Regional (Lazy E Arena - Guthrie) Start Time: 8:00am Cowboy Mounted Shooters take on the Lazy E Arena for the Mid Central Regional.
  • 🎭 The Comedy Magic & Mentalism of Max Krause - Matinee Show (Max's Magic Theatre - OKC - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 1:45pm Ages 5+
  • Dance of the Seasons (Civic Center Music Hall - Oklahoma City) Celebrate spring with the Oklahoma City Philharmonic's Classic Concert Series. Dance of the Seasons features violinist…
  • Edmond Electric Touch-a-Truck 2019 (Edmond) Start Time: 9:00am Touch-A-Truck is a fundraising event that provides kids of all ages with the opportunity to experience life-size vehicles and interact with community...
  • 🎓 Epic Charter Schools Graduation (Cox Convention Center - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 3:00pm
  • 🎓 Essentials of Raja Yoga Meditation- a day course (Brahma Kumaris Meditation Center - Edmond) Start Time: 12:00pm Taking time out has always been a vital part of improving the quality of life, refreshing our understanding of events and re-charging the spirit. A day Retreat is an opportunity to step off the conveyor belt of life and spend time in a peaceful and spiritual atmosphere, reflecting upon and exploring the important factors governing our…
  • 🎓 Families Explore: Constellations (Norman Public Library - Norman) Start Time: 11:00am Families are invited to come enjoy books and activities exploring the vast night sky and our constellations! Registration is required for these free...
  • Family Fishing Derby (Griffin Community Park - Norman) Start Time: 7:00am
  • Edmond Farmer's Market (Festival Marketplace - Edmond) Start Time: 8:00am
  • Granger Smith in Concert (Starlight Amphitheater @ Frontier City - Oklahoma City) Spend the day splashing in the Renegade Rapids or screaming on the Silver Bullet at Frontier City Theme Park before relaxing…
  • Insane Clown Posse in Concert (Diamond Ballroom - Oklahoma City) Join the gathering of Juggalos and Juggalettes in Oklahoma City this June as hip-hop duo Insane Clown Posse headlines at…
  • Junk Utopia (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:00am Search through someone else’s trash for your next treasure at the Junk Utopia Show in Oklahoma City. Whether…
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Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ Jun. 5, 2000

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
1-3-2000 1-10-2000 1-17-2000 1-24-2000
1-31-2000 2-7-2000 2-14-2000 2-21-2000
2-28-2000 3-6-2000 3-13-2000 3-20-2000
3-27-2000 4-3-2000 4-10-2000 4-17-2000
4-24-2000 5-1-2000 5-8-2000 5-15-2000
5-22-2000 5-29-2000
  • This is an interesting issue, since Dave evaluates the landscape of American wrestling and already sees the likely writing on the wall for both ECW and WCW. Raw is expected to move to TNN later this year and depending on what USA decides to do, it could be the biggest break ever for ECW or it could be their death sentence (anybody wanna take bets?). USA Network is still trying to hold up the WWF deal and they aren't happy about losing Raw. USA reportedly wants to stay in the Monday night wrestling business, but they don't want to be in a position of building up a product and then losing it again the way they are with WWF so if they do, they will want to own it. So it's possible that USA might start up their own promotion or, more likely, would buy ECW or maybe even WCW if Turner gets rid of them (more on that later). But that's unlikely to happen and Dave seems to think it's more likely that USA will just giving up on wrestling entirely, and that would be bad news for ECW because they would need to find a new network. As for WWF, there's concern over how ratings may be affected when they move to TNN but Dave thinks it'll be fine. TNN is available in almost the same number of homes as USA and Smackdown proved that WWF fans will follow them to a new station, so he thinks it'll be negligible. WWF has also proven to have the ability to completely turn a struggling network around, which TNN is desperately hoping will happen.
  • And on the WCW end of things, Ted Turner is looking to leave the Time WarneAOL conglomerate, which could be bad news. Turner has always fought to keep WCW when others wanted to get rid of it. If Turner leaves, WCW won't be protected. And it's the worst possible time for WCW, which has been in sale negotiations with a company called SFX, which owns a lot of the major arenas in the U.S. and does a lot of concert promotion. The two sides have been working together and have discussed various things like jacking up ticket prices and selling corporate sponsorships and things like that. And at one point earlier this year, SFX made a strong offer to buy WCW outright, but Turner execs shot it down immediately. It's still expected that SFX will handle promotional rights but they won't be buying the company. At least 2 other groups have also shown interest in buying either WCW and/or ECW. Plus, the Fox Network has been talking about doing a wrestling show for years so they're always in the running too. Last year, WCW lost more than $15 million even though buyrates and attendance were still strong for most of the year. This year, they're waaaay beyond that, with internal estimates suggesting that they are on pace to lose anywhere from $36 million to $80 million by the end of this year. Not a good time to lose Ted Turner's protection (nope, indeed it was not).
  • On Thunder this week, Bischoff heavily hyped a major announcement taking place at Great American Bash and even went so far as to say there was nothing Vince McMahon could do about it, for whatever that means. It could be the SFX promotional deal, which the general public isn't going to remotely give a shit about, nor would McMahon. Or it could be a Goldberg heel turn, because he was reportedly asked to go heel this week. Goldberg is said to be against it and Dave thinks would be an astronomically stupid move right now. But hey, Hogan and Nash don't want to be bumped out of their #1 and #2 babyface spots, so that's why he was asked to turn. No idea why McMahon would give an iota of a fuck about any of this though, so who knows. Most likely just Bischoff using Vince's name to stir up curiosity (yup).
  • In their desperation, WCW has actually broached the idea to ECW about working together. It's something Bischoff and Heyman actually discussed a little while back during the Mike Awesome legal battle, with Bischoff suggesting they turn it into an angle. But Heyman reportedly has zero interest in being involved in a WCW angle and shot it down immediately. Heyman has also insisted that he's not interested in selling a majority interest in ECW to anyone else, but he also recognizes that he can't compete on a national level without far more economic resources and a stronger TV deal. ECW's whole charm is based on being a small-time cult promotion and that just doesn't work on a national stage well enough to generate enough money to keep WWF and WCW from stealing all their top stars as soon as they get hot. Heyman has admitted that ECW is in a tough situation right now because of the TNN deal. If Vince McMahon allows TNN to keep ECW, then they may be okay. But if McMahon wants TNN to exclusively carry WWF, then they're going to drop ECW and Heyman is well aware that it would be disastrous for the company if they aren't able quickly land a new TV deal (and so it was).
  • Pro wrestler-turned-MMA fighter Masakatsu Funaki announced his retirement from MMA this week and Dave does a big recap of his career. He started out in NJPW and then UWFI for several years before transitioning to Pancrase. His retirement came on the heels of a highly anticipated match with Rickson Gracie that everyone expected Funaki to win, but Gracie ended up beating him fairly easily and, despondant after the fight, Funaki announced that he's retiring. It was an interesting fight because Gracie had dictated all the rules beforehand and they were crazy for an MMA fight. No time limit and the only way Gracie could lose was to tap out. The rules were such that the referee, the corner, and not even the doctors were allowed to stop the fight on Gracie's behalf, he could only lose if he quit. Luckily for him, that never ended up being a factor because Gracie dominated the fight. Gracie injured Funaki's knee, which rendered him unable to fight effectively and then got him in a rear-naked choke, but Funaki wouldn't submit so his corner threw in the towel. But it would have been nuts if Gracie had been on the losing end. Anyway, Dave thinks this may lead to Funaki returning to professional wrestling (not until 2009 but yeah he eventually does and he still works in AJPW and and other indies to this day).
  • The 3rd annual Brian Pillman memorial show was held this week, in conjunction with a benefit put together for Brian Hildebrand's widow. Wrestlers from all 3 major U.S. companies participated, as well as some indie guys. The show drew more than 2,000 people and raised over $36,000 for Pillman's family. The show was way too long (almost 6 hours) but most of the matches were good. During the show, Kevin Nash offered $20,000 to the Pillman family if Missy Hyatt were to strip down to her bra and panties for the crowd, which was mostly families with kids. This was unscripted and Hyatt wasn't going for it and kinda chewed Nash out for putting her on the spot like that, but she did do a little dance and flash her underwear briefly and Nash said he would donate the $20,000 anyway. As of press time, the check hasn't been written (it never does, and Dave occasionally briefly reminds readers about it months and months later). Later in the show, DDP tried to raise money from the crowd by getting a local female valet to take her dress off. The star of the show was Steven Regal, who had his best match in years with Chris Benoit and stole the show. Regal's career was pretty much dead not too long ago after being fired from WCW twice and WWF once due to drug issues but he and Benoit tore the house down in what many called one of the best matches of the year. Both men got a standing ovation afterward, with the crowd chanting loudly for Regal. These days, he's sober and acting as sort of a coach for people in the Memphis WWF developmental territory and is in the best shape of his life. Before the show, Regal called it the most important match of his life and boy did he deliver. Several people ended up bailing on the show. Ric Flair cancelled a few days ahead of time, no reason given. Terry Taylor cancelled due to a concussion suffered on Nitro a few days before. Chris Candido and Tammy Sytch missed the show, claiming their flight got delayed and they couldn't make it. Road Dogg, Al Snow, and Jim Cornette all bailed, no reason given, among others. (Here's the full show, or at least that I can find. Regal/Benoit at 1:12:00 mark. Nash/Missy stuff appears to have been cut from it.)
WATCH: Brian Pillman Memorial Show 2000
  • Jim Rome's "Last Word" show on Fox Sports Net this week had 2 episodes that made some waves. In the first, Rome trashed MMA, calling the sport an embarrassment and saying it wasn't a sport at all, calling it barbaric, dangerous, despicable, human cockfighting, a freak show, and more. A few days later, he had Bret Hart on as a guest and they talked mostly about wrestlers unionizing, which both of them agreed should happen. Hart pointed out that even rodeo clowns have unions. When asked about the Owen lawsuit, Bret was sorta mum for legal reasons but he did criticize McMahon for continuing the show after Owen died. As for the Raw tribute show the night after, Bret was also critical of that and especially about the ending with Steve Austin raising a beer to Owen. Bret pointed out that Austin had spoken publicly many times about how much he disliked Owen and blamed him for his neck injury, so to Bret, it felt fake and felt it was an example of WWF trying to milk the show for ratings, by putting Austin on and holding him till the last segment to make sure fans stayed tuned in. Hart was critical of WCW too, especially all the stunts they do and talked about how he participated in (after his concussion, when he was still living in a fog) a skit where he chased after Goldberg in a car and skidded on ice, nearly plowing through a production truck. It led to him having the "I'm a wrestler, not a stunt-man" argument and basically just shitting on how unsafe wrestling has become and how the pursuit for ratings leads to more and more dangerous stuff. Jim Rome, as he usually does, was completely disrespectful of wrestling in general (though he seemed to like Hart) and called WWF's decision to continue the show the most cold-hearted thing he's ever seen.
  • Since being released from WCW, La Parka has been working far more frequently in Mexico, including working some shows for CMLL. During his initial glory days in Mexico, he was always an AAA guy so it's big news to see him in CMLL (he signs a contract with CMLL in 2003 that ultimately pisses off AAA president Antonio Pena so much that he sues over La Parka's name and gimmick, which ultimately leads to him becoming L.A. Park. Also, apparently La Parka got released from WCW? I don't remember Dave mentioning this before).
  • Antonio Inoki spoke out against NJPW's planned Riki Choshu/Atsushi Onita exploding ring barbed wire match which is scheduled to take place next month. Inoki said the match will do long term damage to NJPW (well, he'd know about that better than anyone). He also accused Choshu of lying since he's not sticking to his promise to stay retired. Dave scoffs at the irony of Inoki having the gall to ever call anyone a liar.
  • Canadian wrestler Biff Wellington was arrested by Tokyo police for attempting to smuggle drugs into the country by mail. No details on the drugs but apparently he got caught getting something from Thailand mailed to himself. Wellington has been working for Michinoku Pro but they cut him loose after the arrest and it made all the major newspapers throughout the country. Japan is extremely strict on drugs, so it was big news and it got him arrested and fired.
  • Lionsgate has decided not to release Beyond The Mat in theaters in Canada. It did decently during its first week in the U.S. but fell hard after that. It'll be released on home video in August.
  • Jesse Ventura is doing Jesse Ventura things this week. There was a lot of coverage of a recent meeting between Ventura and former President Jimmy Carter, who told Ventura his mother was a huge wrestling fan and used to go to shows in the Georgia territory. Ventura, of course, claimed that he remembered meeting Carter's mother back when he wrestled there. But of course, during the time period Carter's mother used to attend shows, Ventura wasn't wrestling in Georgia in those days, so, ya know. Also, Ventura is meeting with Antonio Inoki for....whatever reason. And in a Washington Post interview, Ventura talked about entering the 2000 presidential race at the last minute, saying he feels he could win because Bush and Gore are too bland. Ventura's spokesman had to come out immediately after and clarify that Ventura is absolutely not planning to run.
  • Sonny Onoo worked an indie show in Denver last week and was doing the stereotypical sneaky Japanese villain gimmick, complete with throwing salt. Not exactly doing wonders to help his racial discrimination lawsuit against WCW, in which he claims they forced him to play that exact same type of character against his wishes.
  • The latest on Raven and ECW is that he's not in any hurry to leave before his contract expires in August. Paul Heyman is trying to gently nudge him out the door because they don't plan to do anything with him and he doesn't want to be paying Raven's large contract any longer than he has to. So Heyman's trying to get Raven to leave on a positive note, but if he doesn't willingly go, Dave expects them to just fire him before then.
  • RVD is filming an episode of the Pamela Anderson Lee show VIP. He'll be playing an army major who has invented a bunch of radical new weapons or some such thing.
  • Masato Tanaka has signed a full time contract with FMW in Japan. Paul Heyman had been hopeful of signing him to an ECW deal but it didn't work out. Tanaka's deal ended up being less than half of what he would have been paid in ECW, but he didn't want to spend so much time away from home and wanted to stay in Japan, so he chose to stay with FMW despite the pay cut.
  • Juventud Guerrera ended up being sentenced to 2 days in jail and community service stemming from his DUI and fleeing police charges from awhile back. Luckily for him, he won't be deported which was a major concern among people in WCW. Speaking of, Guerrera and Konnan both were injured on a spot in a match they had on Thunder this week. Guerrera injured his ribs and will be out for a few weeks. Konnan was thought to have broken his arm but luckily it wasn't broken. They wanted to do an MRI on it to check for other injuries, but it was so swollen that they couldn't until it goes down. The belief now is that it may be a torn tricep.
  • Tammy Sytch was pulled from Nitro this week after an incident backstage before the show. There's been lots of reports that she was fired but that's not true. At least not as of press time. Before the show, 2 other unnamed women (I think it came out later that one of them was Kimberly) found syringes in the women's bathroom with a vial of Nubain, which is a painkilling drug that has become popular with wrestlers. Somehow it was traced back to her. Tammy was said to be in very bad shape backstage before the show and others said she was in that bathroom for an eternity beforehand. She was supposed to do a catfight spot with Miss Hancock on the show, but after Bischoff was alerted to the situation, Tammy was pulled from the show and reportedly ordered to take a drug test (this of course ends with Tammy getting fired. To this day, I think she claims that someone drugged her drink but you know how that goes).
  • Notes from Nitro: the show drew around 7,700 fans (only 4,000 paid) so naturally on TV, they claimed it was 12,000. Anyway, it was actually a decent show. Kevin Nash handed Ric Flair the title so he's the new champion again, and Dave says they may as well have just mailed him the belt through 4th class mail for all that title means these days. And for, like, the 2nd or 3rd week in a row, Dave says Rey Mysterio was booked for a match despite still not being recovered from his knee injury and once again, Mysterio had to remind them, "Hey I can't wrestle right now" so they changed the match. Apparently, someone in WCW just keeps forgetting and booking him for shit he can't do. David Flair inexplicably came out to save Miss Hancock from Chris Candido. Flair and Hancock are dating in real life and if you're watching Nitro, you're evidently supposed to know that even though it's never been referenced before. But Russo books for the internet fans, so there ya go. On TV, he was supposed to be with Daffney and they turned it into a big thing where Daffney is pissed because Flair is apparently choosing his real life girlfriend over his TV girlfriend. Booker T is now G.I. Bro. Goldberg finally made his big return and challenged Tank Abbott to a match next week on Nitro. Dave says it makes no sense to give away Goldberg's first match back on free TV, but on the other hand, nobody buys WCW PPVs anymore so it'd be a waste to put it there too, so whatever. Either way, word is Goldberg still isn't fully healed so his match with Abbott will be quick. Karl Malone was shown in the crowd and got involved in the DDP segment which got a big pop since they were in Salt Lake City. And finally, Jeff Jarrett won the title back from Flair in a match that was better than it had any right to be.
  • Notes from the upcoming Thunder tapings: Terry Funk and Chris Candido were in a hardcore match that ended up in some horse stables and in a really dangerous spot, a horse nearly kicked Funk in the face (Funk talking shit to the horse afterward is still one of my favorite things ever). During the Russo/Flair segment, a fan threw a chair over the barricade towards the ring but it will be edited off TV. Before the taping, Lex Luger and Elizabeth had a real-life argument with Vince Russo over whatever angle they were supposed to do on the show and it's possible their matches for the upcoming PPV (Luger vs. Palumbo and Elizabeth vs. Kimberly) may not be happening now (indeed they do not and in fact, this was it for Elizabeth. Both she and Luger disappear off TV. Luger returns 5 months later but Elizabeth would never be seen in wrestling again. I'm sure we'll read more about it). And in a funny bit, Norman Smiley went to some kids' backyard wrestling group and pinned their champion and ran off with the belt (I originally had video of this Norman Smiley thing when I initially wrote this, but its since been removed from YouTube).
WATCH: Terry Funk no-sells a horse
  • Remember a few months ago when WCW officials were worried about an incident that happened during WCW's spring break show? There was a wet t-shirt contest that ended up getting really explicit and there were unnamed WCW wrestlers involved. WCW officials were said to be scared to death that this would make headlines because at least a few people there had video cameras. Anyway, in case you were wondering, it finally made headlines. The Globe tabloid ran a story about it and apparently it was Buff Bagwell who was involved and was pulling both the bikini tops and bottoms off some of the women. None of the women filed charges but the mayor of South Padre Island, where it took place, was quoted saying that the city will take steps to make sure events like that don't happen anymore (can't find The Globe story but apparently Disco Inferno and Lash LeRoux were involved as well. Don't think any video ever surfaced).
  • The famous Wax Museum at Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco is adding wax figures of DDP and Bret Hart (can't find any pics of those. The museum closed in 2013).
  • Random WCW notes: Lance Storm was backstage at Nitro in full gear doing promo pics. Disco Inferno and Kanyon are working backstage as road agents. Gene Okerlund has been taken off interview duties for Nitro and will be replaced by Pamela Paulshock, but he'll still be doing Thunder.
  • Vince Russo did an interview with WCW Live on their website last week and said a whole bunch of dumb shit. He basically said a bunch of stuff about how all the hotshot world title changes are good for business and talking about how people pay to see The Rock talk, not to see him wrestle, and things like that. It was a big topic of conversation at the Brian Pillman memorial show, with WWF and WCW wrestlers talking about it. The WWF feeling is that it just proves that Russo doesn't understand the business and proves how little he really meant to the overall success of WWF. A few WCW guys defended him, saying Russo is just working the internet fans to get over as a heel. Dave says that would be fine if that was all it was, but Russo's booking in WCW proves that he's not just saying those things, he actually believes them and that's how he books the company. Dave points out that the hotshot title changes have made WCW's world title less than meaningless. And as for the claim that people tune in to see the Rock talk, not wrestle, well....ratings prove otherwise, as far more people tune in to his matches than his promos. So yeah, Dave is pretty solidly on the side of Vince Russo doesn't grasp professional wrestling (more from this in a moment).
  • Notes from Raw: Kid Rock's rappesidekick Joe C was all over this show in multiple segments and it dragged everything down. "There's nothing worse on wrestling than a third-rate celebrity being put on the show and having the wrestlers mark out for them like they are a big star," Dave says. Ain't that the goddamn truth. On the plus side, it ended with Edge & Christian putting him in a garbage can and then beating the can unmercifully so at least there was a payoff. Chris Benoit vs. Bob Holly was an incredibly stiff match and Benoit was insanely over (they were in Vancouver).
  • Random WWF notes from their recent Canadian tour: 8 different women flashed the crowd during the Smackdown tapings and were kicked out. Lots of "We want Bret!" chants during the shows. WWF tried to get Stu Hart to accompany British Bulldog to the ring during the show in Calgary but needless to say, he didn't go for it. Speaking of Bulldog, he's in really bad shape and looks terrible in the ring and Dave says that if it wasn't for the Owen Hart lawsuit, he probably would have been released already.
  • The daughter of Andre The Giant is writing a book about him along with her mother. Dave notes that Andre pretty much ignored his daughter throughout most of her life and at times even denied that she was his (yeah, this has been pretty well covered even in the HBO documentary, that Andre was basically an absentee father. Don't know if this book idea ever amounted to anything).
  • Talk Magazine did a major story on Chyna that was really good. She talked about her personal life, saying her mother was crazy and her father an alcoholic and a con-man who claimed to be a doctor and said that her childhood was basically fucked up because of them. Her father was also interviewed during the piece and denied her claims. Talked about how she got into bodybuilding and says she never used steroids and Dave gives that a healthy dose of raised eyebrow. Talks getting into wrestling, meeting Triple H and Shawn Michaels at a bar while she was training and how Michaels suggested her as a bodyguard for Triple H (who at the time was seen as someone with a lot of potential but who wasn't getting over). She got the WWF job and says she broke up with her boyfriend to go wrestle (admitting she felt guilty about that). Talked about her surgeries. She said she initially had C-cup implants but didn't like how they looked so when she ended up popping one during a match and had to get them re-done, she went bigger and also said she'd had jaw surgery and talked about not fitting the normal stereotypical beauty standards. And finally, she talked about her relationship with Triple H and said she would like to marry him, but admitted that she doesn't think the feeling is mutual. And finally, she said she hopes to be a mother some day.
  • Former announcer Todd Pettingill is claiming he's coming back to WWF soon. Pettingill worked there in the mid-90s but he got a lot of resentment from people because he was a successful radio DJ outside of wrestling and, due to that, he was able to command a high salary during a time when the company was losing money.
  • Letters section has some people writing in to talk about Vince Russo's latest interview that we talked about earlier and it helps because it gives us some exact quotes from Russo said and other topics he addressed:
  • In regards to the Sting/Vampiro feud, Russo claimed that Vampiro losing all the matches doesn't hurt him, "I don't think anyone notices the losses."
  • In regards to titles changing hands all the time, he said: "The reality is every Monday or every Wednesday a title could change hands. The days of a guy having a title for six months to make it mean something is absolutely ridiculous. Those are the old laws of wrestling that just don't make sense in the year 2000. A champion defends his title a dozen times of TV and house shows. For him not to lose one of those dozen times is ridiculous."
  • In regards to in-ring wrestling vs. entertainment, Russo said he'd rather watch Norman Smiley vs. Ralphus any day before he'd ever watch a 20-minute cruiserweight match.
  • Claimed that Vince McMahon is rattled because he knows that Russo and Bischoff are a threat to him. Claims that's why they've maintained a good relationship with ECW and why they brought Mick Foley back at Wrestlemania (someone helpfully points out that Foley was brought back for WM before Russo and Bischoff ever got their power back).
  • Claimed that Mike Awesome never had an ECW contract, which is pretty silly since he most certainly did and WCW paid ECW 6-figures to buy him out of it.
  • Talked about becoming a TV character now instead of just the backstage writer and said he was doing it because he loves WCW and was putting his body on the line for the sake of the company and yada yada. The guy writing this letter is amazed at Russo's ego.
  • Still claims that ratings increased on his watch and that he was forced out of the company the first time due to politics. Of course, Dave has repeatedly proven how misleading and false the ratings claims are. Business did not improve under Vince Russo, either the first or second time, and in fact, it got worse.
  • When asked about not pushing foreign talent, Russo basically buried them all. He said Silver King and Dandy have no talent and that he's never even seen the Jung Dragons (even though they're a tag team that works for his company). He said the reason he hasn't pushed the other foreign stars, he said that in order to relate to American audiences, you have to be able to entertain and you can't entertain American audiences if you can't speak English. When asked about Sonny Onoo's racial discrimination suit, he pointed out that he has pushed Normal Smiley, Booker T, and Ernest Miller.
  • Said he defies anyone to come up with anything creative that WWF has done since he left, aside from the Triple H/Stephanie wedding. The guy writing this letter goes on to give a laundry list of examples.
  • TL;DR: how does anyone still defend Vince Russo?
  • And finally, somebody writes in and talks about why ECW's ratings have been stagnant for so long and says maybe ECW and its fans should be realistic and see that the company kinda sucks right now. He gives a lot of examples of things ECW is doing wrong creatively and makes some decent points. To be fair though, ECW only has less than a year to live and Heyman was holding on to his sanity by a thread at this point. He wasn't on top of his creative game.
FRIDAY: Paul Heyman holds ECW locker room meeting/pep talk, more on Luger & Elizabeth, Vince Russo says even dumber shit than he did this week, Sandman out of control drunk at an ECW show, and more...
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